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My wife and I are currently shopping for a bit larger living space than our current Columbia 29. Shes beamy, but we have ambitions of the ICW and Caribbean. We have friends with a '78 CSY that I am very much in love with, but they seem to be running in the 75-100k range in great shape. Can anyone recommend something similar in nature with maybe a tad more affordable price tag? Hoping not to open the discussion of personal preference, rather similar in capabilities. Thanks All!  

Yes, well, thats the plan. We are only on the '29 to get our sea legs and learn the ins and outs of living in a small space. Would you recommend this(or any) Catalina for Blue Water?  

Blue water? I'm confused here .. I thought it was about living space? Although the CSY looks fairly capable for offshore work. (not that I'm and expert) Since almost every discussion about the ICW is about draft and shoaling your choices may change allot if it's about tripping to the islands. Catalina's are not a blue water boats but have huge living spaces.  

blue water boat list available at Mahina Expedition - Selecting A Boat for Offshore Cruising  

I know a couple who sailed a Catalina 25 with a swing keel from France to Key West. I have a lot of offshore/extremely rough water experience with a deep draft CSY44. I also had that boat on the ICW from Virginia to Florida It's all about the operator in my opinion.  

The CSY 44 is a bit of a cult boat and I nearly bought one myself. Pluses are built like a brick outhouse and have big water tanks. They make great cruising homes. Most of the deep keel variants have a concrete lower section to the keel which can be removed. There is a fairly active owners group here CSY Owners Forum :: Topics in Swap Meet (1/6) and there is a CSY 44 for sale at 39k there. Ones that are turnkey with the chain plates replaced and a new engine do indeed go for around $100k. Ones with original engines and needing a refit 35 to 40k. Sherry and Dave on the CSY 44 Soggy Paws are on a circumnavigation and their web site includes a wealth of info on the care and maintenance of a CSY 44. S/V Soggy Paws - CSY 44 - Circumnavigate with Dave and Sherry McCampbell I finished up buying something lighter. But a tall stick deep draft CSY 44 with new external chain plates would have sorely tempted me.  

TQA-All great points, and even furthers my confusion. I just cant seem to find something as capable (or as close to) the CSY 44 under that 75k mark. For many reasons we would prefer a cc although I am willing to keep my options open for the right boat and at the right price. Are there any comparable models you would recommend?  

Keep in mind the CSY 44 was a purpose built boat. It was built for the charter trade. There was one goal in it's design, to give as much space below as possible. Mostly made for inexperienced sailors to not get into too much trouble, and little concern given to sailing performance. They were designed to be delivered to the islands, and sailed there, so they are not built as a particularly seaworthy boat. It is not any more seaworthy than most other boats of the same age and size. So Irwin, Endeavor and others will be very similar. There are boats that may give less space below but be better sailors, and far more seaworthy such as the Kelly Peterson 44 and 46, the Formosa 46, Bristol, Pearson, older Valiant, lots of them. While the CSY is a nice boat, it really was designed as a truck. Besides that the sailing you are describing is the definition of coastal cruising. Yes, you have a weather window to watch to get to the islands once there you will rarely be out of sight of land. So why bother with driving a truck when a nice sedan would be more comfortable, and suit your purposes better in the end. I would not count out a production boat either. There are thousands of Hunter/Catalina/Beneteau sailboats in the islands. They did not get shipped there. Heck your present boat would do it well, at least until have a few guests! There is a reason why boats like the CSY are not made anymore. It has been found that building thick hulls does not really make them any more seaworthy, just heavier. Hurts sailing performance was well. I would try to charter one of them to see how you like sailing them.  

My CSY44 was a walkover...That means obviously you are walking over an enormous engine space to get to the aft cabin... Just one thought.. We added a very nice dodger then a smaller one over the aft cabin hatch just to keep the rain out. We sailed often but did not live aboard..I think if I were to live on a 44WO full time I would insist on a full cockpit enclosure. As a live aboard will you be in port more than you sail? Will you make any great ocean journeys with this next boat? Will you live/cruise in an area where you will require heat? There are so many comfortable/suitable live aboards on the market I think it comes down to what you intend to do with the boat besides sleep and eat. A cruising boat available in the 75k plus range might be ready to cruise A boat available for less will need so many essentials you won't ever get there. If you can endure the austere that's quite different. The CSY points that have been made are valid Somewhat....My chainplates were not exterior and they were not in need of replacement. My water tanks were removed and smaller modular tanks were installed. I did have to replace many items on the boat Including the fuel tanks and that was labor intensive and costly. If the holding tanks are original you will have to remove them with a saw. Good luck in your search! I always love the hunt for the next boat!  

Excellent. This is the kind of advice I am looking for. I do realize they are built a bit as a "truck." I've nothing against the production boats but I suppose my fear is they wont hold up over time. We plan on living aboard for several years, and yes, most definitely looking to sail the Caribbean, but possibly as far north as the Great Lakes and south as Central America. I am not ruling out a trip across the pond either. I think the main question was what else besides the CSY would be an option, but without the 75k+ price tag. Maybe I am trying to accomplish too much with too little budget. However I do have friends living aboard and sailing ICW and the islands in a 37ft Gulfstar, and they paid less than 40k. You definitely gave me a few other options to start looking at and I appreciate it.  

I think your budget is bit tight for the boat you want, especially if you want something that could cross the ocean of your choice. I think I would be looking more in the 35 to 40 foot range. Most of the boats that would be possibilities either have been updated (more expensive) or need upgrading (which is your money of course). Ideal is to find a boat that was upgraded for cruising and the not cruised for some reason. If centre cockpit is a must a sleeper might be a mid 80s Moody (one model is a 345 I think). We ran into a Canadian one in Grenada and a British one in South Africa that is now back in Wales after a circumnavigation. Might be a bit light in tankage but decent sailing performance. If you could go aft cockpit there are many more possibilities.  

I personally don't like center cockpits for the most part ascetically, but may wind up with one some day. I am currently looking for a live-aboard, and have been looking at blue water boats as well. I don't need one right away but Hawaii is calling me, as I have family there. But on the other hand you can get a lot more boat for your money with a production boat. Personally I have a Sail area to displacement limit of about 16 as anything less is unacceptable light wind performance for me, that is really the only "number" I look at. Look up some posts by Cruising Dad here, he just sold his 40 foot Catalina that he has lived on for years with his wife and two kids. But I think he is currently searching for a catamaran. Here is a good discussion on some "traditional looking" boats. Sounds like that is kind of what you are looking for. http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-...570-we-have-fallen-cheoy-lee-40-offshore.html Some nice boats in that thread.  

My New Bombay trading Company Explorer 44 was in your price range and had had a recent major refit so was cruise ready when I bought it. So they are out there. But it is a rear cockpit. I like the analogy of a CSY 44 being a truck. But they are quite a pretty truck and if you hit a reef the reef usually loses. Other boats that I looked at and liked with center cockpits were Endeavor 42&43 The Hunter Passage 42 I really liked the aft cabin with its center line queen. Much better than the CSY. Another boat I liked was the Bene Idylle 43 . There are lots out there that will do the job.  

For inexpensive and large boats for ICW and Caribbean the Endeavors are good candidates as are the Morgan OI/Classics and both, in my opinion (read opinion) are better values than the CSY 44 if you are looking for large comfortable skinny water trucks that have been there done that many times.  

you may be interested on this CSY 44. This excellent sailboat has a new Yanmar Motor, New Electricity Installation, GPS, Plotter, Radar, VLU, VHF, and many sailing equipments, autopilot, etc.. It has new sails, and it is in excellent conditions. It is ready to sail and liveaboard. It also has a Bonaire flag, which is very convenient (No costs), and a very convenient fridge, cooking, two bedrooms , two bathrooms, plenty of space. contact me at xpfenech (at) gmail (dot) com  

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Interior tour of our 44′ CSY Walk Over sailboat (Photo + Video)

Now that we’ve settled in properly and I finally finished sewing the interior seat cushions , I thought I would snap a few photos (since I just cleaned) of the interior of our sailboat. I also took video as well, so see the end of this post for the video tour.

Our sailboat is a 44′ CSY “walk over”. CSY made the 44′ sailboat with two layouts: a walk thru and a walk over . Since the boat has a center cockpit, this means that in the walk over the cabins below are separated by the cockpit. The walk thru has the aft cabin and main cabin connected by a skinny hallway. Its galley is also situated on the starboard side. The walk over (like ours) does not have this connecting hallway. The cabins are completely separate and the only way to get from one to the other is to “walk over” the cockpit.

The Main Cabin

The main cabin is our main living area. It’s where the galley and primary eating spot is located. Walking forward, there is a full-size shower, separate head and the v-berth.

The Aft Cabin

The aft cabin is our master stateroom. It has a bed, head and navigation table with a large locker under it.

That’s it! That’s the view below the decks on s/v Blue Turtle. Video tour is below.

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Hi Guys, love what you’ve done!! I have a 78 walkover and am in the process of overhauling the interior to suit my purposes. Could I ask what timber you used for the changes to the original? Teak is a) hard to source and b) prohibitively expensive, especially in Australia. Thanks Ken

Unfortunately, we didn’t do any of the interior renovation. We bough the boat like it is. I’m not sure what type wood was used. If I can find out from the previous owner, I’ll post here.

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The Best Sailboats for the High Seas?

At the St. Petersburg Boat Show month last month, I had the pleasure of seeing delivery skipper and author John Kretschmers presentation on what he called sailboats for a serious ocean. I have reservations about any ideal boat list, but Kretschmer, who reviews boats for Sail Magazine and whose most recent book Sailing a Serious Ocean is available in our online bookstore , has the ideal background for this sort of work, and a list like this is undeniably helpful for wannabe cruisers who need a place to start their search.

I certainly wouldnt limit my search to boats on such a list, but by paying careful attention to the pros and cons of each, you can find something that suits your own aspirations.

Here are the boats Kretschmer suggests: Contessa 32, Pacific Seacraft 34, Pretorien 35, Cape Dory/Robinhood 36, Valiant/Esprit 37, Prout Snowgoose 37, Alajuela 38, Privelege 39, Freya 39, Passport 40, Caliber 40, Baba 40, Hallberg Rassy 42, Taswell 43, Hylas 44, Norseman 447, Beneteau 456, Outbound 44, Hylas 46, Kaufman 47, Tayana 48, Hylas 49, Amel Maramu 53, and the Sundeer 60/64. For a brief capsule summary of each, be sure to check out his website.

The list is hardly definitive. There are plenty of good boats that arent featured, and some of these would be ill-matched for the wrong sailor-Kretschmer clearly pointed this out during his talk. I like how the list presents a good cross-section of the various shapes and sizes for a boat in this category. For example, Kretschmer includes the Prout Snowgoose and Steve Dashews Sundeer 60, boats that, notwithstanding their successful record at sea, fill an outlying niche.

If I were going to expand the list, one of the heavier-displacement microcruisers like those I blogged about would be a nice addition. Although I would be wary of promoting even the most formidable of this breed as well-suited for a serious ocean, John Neale of Mahina Tiare Expeditions includes one of them, the Dana 24, on his own list of recommend cruising boats . Neales much broader list of boats is accompanied by a very helpful discussion of design elements to consider.

What got me thinking about formidable cruising boats was our series of reports o n sailboat construction , focusing specifically on structural details. Although there are plenty of excellent coastal cruisers on the market, once you start talking about offshore duty, scan’tlings (the dimensions for structural components) take on far more importance.

A few years ago we touched on this subject in our Mailport section, encouraging readers to suggest their own nominees for a list of what we called at the time, tough boats, vessels that were built to take a beating, requiring minimal care and upkeep.

Here are some of the boats that were suggested from our readers: Mariner 36, Cal 34, Morgan 43, Swan 43, Bermuda 40, Island Packet 26, Mariner 47, LeComte Northeast 38, Westsail 32, Dana 24, J/35, and the CSY 44.

Id be interested in hearing of other nominees for this list, or other good resources for sailors looking for a short list of good offshore boats.

For those who are frustrated to find that their own ideal boat isn’t on anybodys list, I wouldnt be too miffed. The best line Ive heard in a while on this topic came from Steve Callahan, the author of the survival classic Adrift , who gave a presentation at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show . When I asked Steve, who has sailed extensively on both multihulls and monohulls, what type of boat he preferred, he said, quite seriously. Well, at the end of the day, the best cruising boat is the one that you are on.

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Interesting list. I am fond of Hylas of which you chose three models. However, I am suspect of their yard and construction techniques and do not have confidence that they are as strong as they are beautiful. Only one Hallberg-Rassy was selected, which is a far more robust and dry sailing boat than the Hylas. Passports make a good boat as does Cape Dory and several others on your list. Didn’t four sailors die on a Beneteau in 2018? Over all it is a decent list.

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I believe this is the accident you’re talking about in which a Beneteau and it’s bolted on keel parted company.

Almost all of the sailing clubs in San Diego rent Beneteaus out. They are a decent coastal sailboat. I have a couple friends who have even made the crossing to Maui in them..not me, not ever. I consider them a living room boat. Having said that, I am certainly no expert so its just my opinion. If I am crossing an ocean I want a capable kindly strong boat with redundancy built into critical systems.

Curious to think what people think about the early 70s Swan 43 as a cruising boat for a couple with occasional guests for a round the world trip? I have an S&S 30 which is too small but I do have some bias towards their designs. Add a watermaker and some power generation and off you go… Any thoughts?

Are Motor Sailors like the Nauticats or Fishers ocean worthy ( if their pilot house windows and sliding doors are lifeboatified ? )

Walt Schulz’s Shannon 43 is a beautiful, sea kindly, comfortable and sturdy bluewater boat. Walt had not only the ICW and Bahamas in mind when he designed and built 52 of them. He designed for ocean cruising. He believes his boats should outlive him and still sailing for generations. We sailed the Chesapeake, Bahamas, Caribbean and Pacific to Australia on a Shannon 43 ketch. She took great care of us and is still turning heads.

Great article! John Kretchmer is one of my fave modern day sailors. While there is only one Crealock design on John’s list, and the Dana is added on John Neale’s list, I was surprised not to see a Crealock/ Pacific Seacraft 37 mentioned. But there are so many great serious off shore boats, it’s hard to narrow it down to 10. Here’s a few to think about. Cape George Cutter 36. Biscay 36, tradewind 35, Rustler 36, Nicholson 31 (never talked about) and 32. Seldom seen on top 10 lists, but great boats. Thanks for the article.

Great comment and interesting to note that the first four of your additions are those currently entered in the 2022 Golden Globe Race – kind of the definition of a blue water boat.

Hey! I know this is somewhat off-topic however I needed to ask. Does operating a well-established blog like yours take a massive amount work? I am completely new to writing a blog but I do write in my journal everyday. I’d like to start a blog so I will be able to share my experience and feelings online. Please let me know if you have any kind of recommendations or tips for new aspiring blog owners. Thankyou!|

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The CSY 44 Mid-Cockpit Sailboat Specs & Key Performance Indicators

The CSY 44 Mid-Cockpit Sailboat was built by Caribbean Sailing Yachts (CSY), a company founded by David Walters in Florida in 1971.

CSY specialized in building heavy-duty sailboats for chartering in the Caribbean, but also sold some boats directly to private owners or as kits for self-finishing. CSY went out of business in 1981 due to financial difficulties and lawsuits from unhappy customers.

Published Specification for the CSY 44 Mid-Cockpit

Keel & Rudder Configuration: Fin keel & skeg-hung rudder Hull Material: GRP (Fiberglass) Length Overall: 44'0" (13.4m) Waterline Length: 36'0" (11.0m) Beam: 13'4" (4.1m) Draft: 6'6" (2.0m), Shoal Draft version 5'0" (1.5m) Rig Type: Cutter Displacement: 38,000 lb (17,237 kg) Ballast: 12,000 lb (5,443 kg) Water Tank Capacity: 400 gal (1,514 l) Fuel Tank Capacity: 100 gal (379 l) Hull Speed: 8.0 knots Designer: Peter Schmitt Builder: CSY (Caribbean Sailing Yachts) Year First Built: 1977 Year Last Built: 1980

Options & Alternatives

Original buyers had several design options to choose from:

• Rig Type: The standard rig was a cutter, but some owners opted for a ketch rig.
• Draft: There were two draft options available: a deep draft of 6'6" (2.0 m) and a shoal draft version of 5'0" (1.5 m).
• Interior Layouts: The interior layouts varied, with options for different cabin configurations. Common layouts included a spacious aft cabin, a forward cabin, and a large saloon area. Some versions also featured additional berths or modified galley and navigation station arrangements.

A further alternative was the CSY 44 Walk-Through version. As it's name suggests, this version had a walkthrough design, allowing direct access from the main saloon to the aft cabin without having to brave the elements. This layout was favoured for its convenience and better protection in rough weather.

Sail Areas & Rig Dimensions

I: 54'0" (16.5 m) J: 18'0" (5.5 m) P: 47'0" (14.3 m) E: 15'0" (4.6 m) Total Sail Area: Approximately 965 ft² (89.7 m²)

Published Design Ratios The Key Performance Indicators (KPIs)

Sail Area/Displacement Ratio (SA/D): 16.65 Ballast/Displacement Ratio (B/D): 38.3% Displacement/Length Ratio (D/L): 301.4 Comfort Ratio: 34.3 Capsize Screening Formula: 1.78

The following analysis of the primary design ratios gives an indication of the boat's likely sailing characteristics, but see the 'Notes of Cautio n'  that follow below :

• Performance: The SA/D ratio of 16.65 indicates a boat with reasonably good performance. It suggests the CSY 44 will be responsive to wind and capable of achieving respectable speeds, making it enjoyable for those who appreciate a bit of spirited sailing.
• Stability and Power: A B/D ratio of 38.3% suggests the CSY 44 is a stable boat with good power. While not extremely stiff, it boasts a good balance between stability and manoeuvrability. It will handle winds confidently, inspiring confidence in a range of conditions.
• Displacement: With a D/L ratio of 301.4, the CSY 44 falls into the Heavy Displacement category. This means it's a heavier boat for its length, contributing to its stability and seaworthiness. It will provide a comfortable motion even in rougher seas, though it might not be the fastest in its class.
• Comfort: The Comfort Ratio of 34.3 indicates a reasonably sedate motion for the CSY 44. This means it's designed to minimize pitching and rolling, prioritizing comfort, making it ideal for longer journeys and those susceptible to seasickness.
• Bluewater Capability: A Capsize Screening Formula of 1.78 suggests the CSY 44 is suitable for offshore passages. The lower number indicates a good balance between beam and displacement, reducing the risk of capsize. While coastal cruising remains an option, the CSY 44 demonstrates the characteristics of a capable bluewater cruiser.

In Summary: The CSY 44 Mid-Cockpit sailboat presents itself as a well-rounded cruiser, prioritizing comfort and stability without sacrificing performance. Its design leans towards a more comfortable, stable ride, making it suitable for extended voyages and handling varying sea conditions. While not a racing yacht, it promises an enjoyable and confident sailing experience for those who appreciate a balance of performance and comfort.

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Design Ratios: Notes of Caution...

• The Sail Area/Displacement Ratio (SA/D): This ratio provides an estimate of the sail power relative to the boat's weight, which can indicate potential speed in various wind conditions.  But i t doesn't account for the efficiency of the sail plan, the rigging, or the skill of the crew. Real-world performance can vary significantly based on these factors.
• The Ballast/Displacement Ratio (B/D): This ratio gives an idea of the boat's stability and stiffness, which is crucial for handling and safety.  But  it doesn't consider the distribution of the ballast or the hull shape, both of which can greatly affect stability. A high B/D ratio alone doesn't guarantee a stable boat if the ballast is poorly distributed.
• The Displacement/Length Ratio (D/L): This ratio helps predict the boat's speed potential and its behaviour in different sea conditions.  But  it doesn't account for the hull design or the boat's overall weight distribution. Two boats with the same D/L ratio can perform very differently if their hull shapes are different.
• The Comfort Ratio (CR): This ratio estimates the boat's motion comfort in a seaway, which is important for long passages.  But  it doesn't consider the boat's interior layout, which can also affect comfort. Additionally, personal tolerance to motion varies, so a boat that is comfortable for one person might not be for another.
• The Capsize Screening Formula (CSF): This formula assesses the likelihood of a boat capsizing in heavy seas, which is critical for offshore safety.  But  it doesn't take into account the boat's handling characteristics or the skill of the crew. A boat with a low CSF can still capsize if poorly handled in severe conditions.

General Limitations

• Static Nature: These ratios are static measurements and don't account for dynamic factors like wave action, wind gusts, or crew actions.
• Simplification: They simplify complex interactions into single numbers, which can be misleading. Real-world performance is influenced by a multitude of factors that these ratios can't fully capture.
• Context: The context in which the boat is used (e.g., coastal cruising vs. offshore racing) can greatly affect how these ratios should be interpreted.

In summary, while these ratios provide valuable insights into the theoretical performance characteristics of a sailboat, they should be used as part of a broader assessment that includes practical experience, sea trials, and expert advice.

The above text was drafted by sailboat-cruising.com using GPT-4 (OpenAI’s large-scale language-generation model) as a research assistant to develop source material; we believe it to be accurate to the best of our knowledge.

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Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

Available with a shoal draft keel, 1 and 2 stateroom models. Shoal draft: 4.67’. Most were first sold to Charter companies.

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> > Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. 02-05-2008, 13:34   but have lurked a bit over the last several months. I want to go cruising (Caribbean first) and am looking for a . Around 30-35 ft, < 5ft , but hopefully some ability in case I want to sail to the in a couple years. Needs to be able to handle rough conditions. I'm pretty taken with the and there are a few on the market now. I'm trying to figure out how much they will need and what kind of offer I should make. Is there a good place to go for actual selling prices on ? Asking prices vary so much and I'm sure have little relation to what the actually bring. How does the Downeast 32 compare with the ? I really like the Downeast 38, but it's a bit big for my needs. Thanks, Michael, in Florida 02-05-2008, 16:54   Boat: Gozzard 36 I'm pretty taken with the 33 and there are a few on the market now. 02-05-2008, 19:36   Boat: Sea Hunt 234 Ultra due to or lack of, and upgrades or lack of...Anywhere from $20K for a dog to $60K for a cream-puff could be reasonable. After that, spend as much as you want. Pay attention to chainplates if they have not been replaced, same with the . Also look at the . (I have repaired/replaced all of the above on my CSY 33, # 19) As for : They could get some gel-coat , but never heard of serious blister damage on a CSY boat. The little gel-coat blister you can fix yourself, don't let a hungry yard talk you into an $8K strip-job. Previous owners of my boat crossed the Atlantic twice before and after they cruised the for 5 years. It was a non-event. For more info on the CSY 33, search this forum and look around in Topica.com for the CSY mailing list with the . 13-05-2008, 13:54   phase of a CSY33. Thanks for your recommendations. I'm sure I'll be on here more asking more questions. Any tips on survey haulouts in Wilmington NC? So far it's $14/ft. In Cape Canaveral it's $5.25/ft. though that's only for an hour in the lifts. 13-05-2008, 15:44   Boat: Gozzard 36 . Good luck. They are nice boats. I'll always miss ours. They ain't fast but they do have comfort. 13-05-2008, 16:36   Boat: Sea Hunt 234 Ultra # ? One of the 3 listed at YacthWorld? 13-05-2008, 17:17   Boat: Still have the 33yo Jon boat. But now a CATAMARAN. Nice little 18' Bay Cat. 13-05-2008, 18:12   . I was considering to do a basic of the hull, sail it to Cp Canaveral and haulout there, do and any that are needed. Sound reasonable? The CSY 33 in Tarpon Springs does need more work, but it was raining when I looked at it so could not see with as much detail as I would have liked. 13-05-2008, 19:10   Boat: Sea Hunt 234 Ultra Paul, you misunderstand. the $14/ft is only the haulout and pressurewash. The survey is about $20/ft on top of that. I'm starting to reconsider getting a full survey. Any recommendations on that? CSYman, this is the boat on Yachtworld in Wilmington. It has a bunch of things it needs, ( ) but it seems to be in very good overall condition. I was hoping for a haulout to check for blisters, etc, but it's obviously much cheaper in . I was considering to do a basic of the hull, sail it to Cp Canaveral and haulout there, do and any that are needed. Sound reasonable? 13-05-2008, 19:26   Boat: Sea Hunt 234 Ultra My friend wants to look at the one in Tarpon. Just reduced the price too. Looks like too much work to me. What do you think? 13-05-2008, 20:17   Boat: Sea Hunt 234 Ultra CSYman, this is the boat on Yachtworld in Wilmington. It has a bunch of things it needs, but it seems to be in very good overall condition. 13-05-2008, 20:19   is original though the owner says only 300 hours. What is the problem with low hp? Is it marina maneuvering, or speed against headwinds/seas, or ?? I have to admit that most of the surveys I have read have not given me great confidence. They usually say things like "not powered up, condition unknown". I'm a mechanical with a pretty good background in failure analysis. the main area I'm lacking knowledge is , and the extensive effects of on the hull and related systems. It's only a small part of the survey that really interests me, but it is an important part. 13-05-2008, 20:51   Boat: Sea Hunt 234 Ultra The 25 hp Perkins is original though the owner says only 300 hours. What is the problem with low hp? Is it marina maneuvering, or speed against headwinds/seas, or ?? If we take it another 25 mi away I can save $2/ft. Not really worth it considering everyones time. 14-05-2008, 10:53   and Sales Solutions" and the headings: | | | Interactive Agencies I don't see any place to find out about boats. What am I doing wrong? 14-05-2008, 15:48   Boat: Gozzard 36 It's the ONLY CSY list there is and has connections to anyone that matters. If you get a CSY 33 I know at least 5 people besides the CSYman that have W's here on the Chesapeake. I probably know the one you are looking at and I think CSY man did a walk through for the buyer years ago. They only made 59 of which almost all but 2 are known to exist. One was recently discovered a few years ago in almost perfect shape. The PO never knew there was an organization and owned the boat since it was new. If they are not a wreck they are quite fixable. The hulls are beyond overbuilt. You would surly die before you drowned if you were able to crack one open. , Thread Tools Rate This Thread : Posting Rules post new threads post replies post attachments edit your posts is are code is are are are Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post rtbates Monohull Sailboats 59 01-04-2009 04:22 jojodir Cruising News & Events 6 09-10-2007 22:18 Ex-Calif Monohull Sailboats 6 01-06-2007 10:22 lexxyahoy Construction, Maintenance & Refit 9 25-08-2006 08:42 Daddy's Dream Monohull Sailboats 20 22-09-2005 19:14 - - - - - - - Privacy Guaranteed - your email is never shared with anyone, opt out any time. CSY Sailboats: Then and Now Caribbean Sailing Yachts or CSY, designed, built and marketed 3 strong, well thought out-classic designed hulls and planned on a 4th. CSY became an instant success, practical for use in the Blue Water environment yet offering everything a more casual sailor needed, at an affordable price. This site will offer historical and present information; from Original, to upgrades and modifications, on all 3 hull sizes. (44,37,33) Friday, January 06, 2012 Csy owners of 44', 37' and 33' boats built from 76-83, 3 comments:. Ron Great resource, keep up the good work. Hello and thanks for checking in here; but more than that, I checked out YOUR site and how interesting it is, that you TOO, have been paying attention to chain plates and the FEW, FEW other issues that separate the Good Boats from the not acceptable....or at least alert 'readers' to the differnt issues that might be of concern. Good job! Thanks for saying such nice things about our Independence, she is 31, still daysailing out of Red Hook in St.Thomas and cruising north or south most summers. Check her out at www.independence44.us It is always great to see a CSY in the VI. just lately we have had Sundance, a walkover here, Glen and Erin have done an incredible rebuild on her and she looks better then new! 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Eighty-seven of these raised-deck cutters were built, primarily for the Caribbean bareboat charter trade. Schmitt has combined some features most often found in traditional boats-the oval stem, raised deck, and semi-clipper bow-with a relatively modern underbody ... Compared to a CSY 44 Here is a good discussion on some "traditional looking" boats. Sounds like that is kind of what you are looking for. ... you may be interested on this CSY 44. This excellent sailboat has a new Yanmar Motor, New Electricity Installation, GPS, Plotter, Radar, VLU, VHF, and many sailing equipments, autopilot, etc.. It has new sails, and it is in ... CSY boats CSY Boats I would like to hear any and all about the CSY 37': opinions, analysis, ... I do want to say that I thought that these were very good boats for their day and purpose. Jeff 30-07-2004, 06:28 #11: CSY Man. Now on the Dark Side: Stink Potter. Join Date: Aug 2003. CSY 37 Sailboat Review With two hanging lockers, plenty of drawers, shelves, and cupboards, plus two large cockpit lockers, the CSY 37 offers a lot of storage for a boat of its size. Six opening hatches and nine ports provide exceptional ventilation. A charcoal heater is a plus for cold-weather sailing. Sailing Scimitar is a pleasure, especially rigged with a roller ... Westsail 32 vs CSY 33 Boat: 1976 Sabre 28-2. Posts: 7,505. We built one of those W32 bare hulls into a beautiful cruising boat. Way better boat than the stock W32, of course it cost us more money to do it. The Westsail is a 40', 20,000# boat squashed into 32'. The amount of interior room, available storage, and tankage is huge. CSY Shoal Keel Offshore Seaworthiness Good comments from Mr. Euro Cruiser on the pros and cons of long distance cruising on a shallow draft CSY 37. I sail and own a "deep draft" CSY 33 cutter rigged sloop and have some comments: The cutter rig, with the 2 Pro-Furl rollers up front is great for us / my use. Would not trade for any other configuration. Every boat and every owner, sailing in different areas have a different opion ... CSY 44 (MID-COCKPIT) The CSY 44 was also sold under a number of other names including the CYGNET 44 and later, the ANTIQUA 44. ... 16 to 20 would indicate reasonably good performance; above 20 suggests relatively high performance. SA/D = SA (ft²) ÷ [Disp (lbs) / 64]^.666 ... A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or advertised ... CSY 44 The CSY 44 evolved from a desire to build a better charter boat, hard to break, easy to care for, more livable at anchor and more responsive under sail. ... best-sailboat-csy-44.jpg 11. CSY 44 ... It is a high-cut sail, providing good visibility to leeward yet substantial power. Typical of all traditional cutters, the unsung hero of this ... CSY 44 (Mid-Cockpit) CSY 44 (Mid-Cockpit) is a 43′ 11″ / 13.4 m monohull sailboat designed by Peter Schmitt and built by CSY (Caribbean Sailing Yachts) between 1977 and 1980. ... This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more. Formula. SA/D = SA ÷ ... 16-20: good performance >20: high ... Interior tour of our 44′ CSY Walk Over sailboat (Photo + Video) Our sailboat is a 44′ CSY "walk over". CSY made the 44′ sailboat with two layouts: a walk thru and a walk over. Since the boat has a center cockpit, this means that in the walk over the cabins below are separated by the cockpit. The walk thru has the aft cabin and main cabin connected by a skinny hallway. Its galley is also situated on ... The Best Sailboats for the High Seas? Here are some of the boats that were suggested from our readers: Mariner 36, Cal 34, Morgan 43, Swan 43, Bermuda 40, Island Packet 26, Mariner 47, LeComte Northeast 38, Westsail 32, Dana 24, J/35, and the CSY 44. Id be interested in hearing of other nominees for this list, or other good resources for sailors looking for a short list of good ... The CSY 44 Mid-Cockpit Sailboat The CSY 44 Sailboat. The CSY 44 was built by Caribbean Sailing Yachts (CSY), a company founded by David Walters in Florida in 1971. CSY specialized in building heavy-duty sailboats for chartering in the Caribbean, but also sold some boats directly to private owners or as kits for self-finishing. CSY went out of business in 1981 due to financial ... 40 Best Sailboats, Types of Sailboats & Manufacturers A lively sailboat with a good turn of speed, the thoroughly modern sloop employed a Hall spar and rod-rigging, ... CSY 44 Originally conceived as a bareboat charter vessel, the CSY 44 was a ruggedly built mid-cockpit cutter also available in a pilothouse version. But the hefty lay-up schedule, moderate sail area and full hull sections made it ... CSY 37 CSY 37 is a 37′ 2″ / 11.4 m monohull sailboat designed by Peter Schmitt and built by CSY (Caribbean Sailing Yachts) between 1978 and 1981. ... 16-20: good performance >20: high performance. Ballast/Displacement 38.6 <40: less stiff, less powerful CSY (Caribbean Sailing Yachts) Founded by Jack Van Ost and located in Tampa Florida. Began as a chartering company. The 3 basic models were built for the charter trade but to higher standard than many others of this type. Years in Business: 1976 - 1981. Sailboats Built By CSY (Caribbean Sailing Yachts) (Dates indicate when boat was first built by any builder) Sort by: 8 ... CSY boats for sale What CSY model is the best? Some of the most popular CSY models presently listed include: 33, 37 Plan B, 44, Walk-Through and Walkover cc. Specialized yacht brokers, dealers, and brokerages on YachtWorld have a diverse selection of CSY models for sale, with listings spanning from 1977 year models to 1981. CSY boats The Farr 11.6's standing sailplan is roughly 150 square feet larger than the CSY 33. Both boats will sail to their standing sailplan in winds up to roughly 20 knots of speed. I am not drawing any conclusions from these numbers but they illustrate two very different approaches to designing a family cruising boat. Jeff CSY Sailboats: Then and Now: Antigua 44's Big blisters were 'not' a problem on CSY's. Other problems noted by Antigua owners were serious problems with water and fuel tanks, so beware and make your 'survey' extensive to be informed and do not use the history of CSY Walk-thru models. The boats might look alike, but were different companies. Caribbean Sailing Yachts Caribbean Sailing Yachts (CSY) is a company which built heavy-displacement recreational sailboats built during the 1970s and 1980s in Tampa, Florida.CSY was one of the first companies to recognize the impending growth of the Caribbean charter industry and although the company went out of business in the early 1980s, the well-founded boats have continued to sail the world's oceans for the past ... CSY 33 S# first appeared (that we know of) in TellTales, April 1988, "On a Scale of One to Ten" by A.P. Brooks . The equation incorporates SA/Disp (100% fore triangle) and Disp/length ratios to create a guide to probable boat performance vs. other boats of comparable size. For boats of the same length, generally the higher the S#, the lower the PHRF. CSY Sailboats: Then and Now: BOTTOM LINE 44'S A shaded area was built over the fish hold; side decks are continuous, with no steps or raised section aft. Sloop rigged with roller furling for jib and main,so sailing is all about line control. BOTTOM LINERS were all deep draft 44's. Above deck rails and most structures were aluminum heavy wall tubing/pipe. Ben had been Joshua's captain back ... Cruising boat pricing, CSY 33 in particular The above could be found on any vessel of the same vintage, and in many cases much more serious than on a CSY. Any old sailboat would of course be in need of new sails, new running and standing rigging, new wireing, new electronics, new canvas, etc. Buy a brand new boat of the same size for $120K with a factory warranty and a fat mortgage, or ... CSY Owners of 44', 37' and 33' boats built from 76-83 Caribbean Sailing Yachts or CSY, designed, built and marketed 3 strong, well thought out-classic designed hulls and planned on a 4th. CSY became an instant success, practical for use in the Blue Water environment yet offering everything a more casual sailor needed, at an affordable price. ... 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