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Flush Deck Sailboats: What Are They?

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What is a flush deck sailboat? This is a question that many people have, but don’t know where to find the answer. A flush deck sailboat is simply a sailboat that doesn’t have a raised deck. This makes it easier to move around on the boat, and also makes it easier to get on and off of the boat. If you are interested in learning more about flush deck sailboats, then read on!

What Is A Flush Deck Sailboat?

The flush deck design is a type of ship deck that doesn’t have any raised areas. This means that there are no stairs or ladders, and sailors can move freely around the entire ship. This kind of design was well known to be used on ships during World War II.

While flush decks can have many benefits, they may also bring potential problems.

Important Information About Flush Deck Sailboat Design

• If a ship needs a secluded area for divers, small boats, and other vehicles, the lack of a recessed deck can be problematic.
• On recreational boats that people use to dive or fish, the design can have negative consequences.

It Can Be A Personal Preference

At the end of the day, it’s all about personal preference when it comes to flush deck sailboats. Regardless of which camp you fall into, there’s no denying that flush deck sailboats can be great boats for some people. If you’re in the market for a new boat, it’s definitely worth considering a flush deck model. Who knows – you might just find that it’s the perfect fit for you.

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Hood Expedition 55

• By Ralph Naranjo
• Updated: June 4, 2008

A spring northerly ruffled Narragansett Bay, and I was about to go for a sail with Ted Hood aboard his latest Robin. In short, things couldn’t get much better. Before our departure, crab cakes and a pineapple-and-kiwifruit salad appeared on the shiny teak cockpit table, and the lunch conversation turned to the theme of the day: cruising in the fast lane. Although the new Hood design features all the comforts of home, I was intrigued by the promise of a vessel as capable under power as under sail. Ted, in his usual unassuming way, shared design details between bites and seemed as eager to go sailing as he must have been when he launched the first Robin in 1959.

Midday heating had discouraged the northerly, so we were greeted by a glistening calm when we slipped the Expedition 55 out of Hinckley Yacht Services, the big marina complex Ted created in Portsmouth, Rhode Island. This was an ideal time to test the six-cylinder, 300-horsepower John Deere 6068 housed belowdecks. The barnyard favorite proved fit for sea duty, and with neither smoke nor excess noise, the diesel sprang to life, pushing more than 50,000 pounds of cruising boat effortlessly. The knotmeter registered nine, with still more juice left in the throttle. I marveled at the lack of vibration and the efficiency of the spray chine molded into the forward portion of the hull. Ted checked the bow and stern waves and pointed out how the boat’s flat run aft and wide stern kept it from squatting as hull speed was reached. The thrust derived from the four-bladed Bruntons Varifold folding prop left a churning stream of whitewater smoothly slipping astern-another good indicator of the engine’s power.

As if by magic, Newport’s famous sea breeze materialized, and the transition from power to sail was nearly instantaneous. Facnor electric-furling headsails and mainsail turned the arduous side of sail setting into mere button pushing. I watched Ted, 80, checking sail shape with the same analytic gaze that once assisted him in making Hood Sailmakers the biggest loft in the world. He zeroed in on the furling mainsail and its vertical battens, quickly deciding that the first batten was positioned a little too high.

Meantime, I took the helm and discovered a big boat with a friendly feel that tracked well at seven-plus knots and had a wide groove. It used its form stability to stand up to the gusty sea breeze, which filled in with 20-knot puffs. Cracking off on a reach, the knotmeter was back in John Deere range, twitching between nine and 10. Steering was butter smooth and fingertip light with the hydraulic system’s power assist, and when the boost pump was turned off, it was stiffer but still manageable. Visibility from either of the dual wheels in the cockpit and from the electronic helm in the pilothouse was excellent, and the sheet leads and winches all seemed well placed. In less than an hour, I was convinced that the Expedition 55 performed well under both power and sail.

Design Challenges

The Expedition 55 is a distinct departure from the successful Little Harbor line of cruising sailboats that Ted designed, built, and sold. This heavy, high-sided sloop with the big John Deere and tankage for 500 gallons of fuel, at first glance, seems more motorsailer than performance sailboat, but a look aloft dispels the stereotype. Standing as tall as a church steeple is a triple-spreader rig that’s half again as long as the boat. Turning compromise on its ear, Ted has drawn upon the best of both worlds to deliver a long-distance cruiser that can motor by many trawler yachts and turn in similar performance under working sail.

To take advantage of the horsepower, Ted added lots of flare and freeboard to the bow along with a spray-taming chine that keeps the water where it belongs. Belowdecks, the accommodations plan mimics what’s found on yachts 10 or 15 feet longer, while topside, there’s indeed a feeling of harmony between power and sail. Wide beam and high freeboard give the flush-deck hull of the Expedition 55 considerable windage, but on the return from our sail, it became clear that the boat is still maneuverable. With Ted at the helm and a gusty wind on the beam, he spun her around in little more than her own length and backed into a tight slip. It was a good example of the boat’s responsiveness, the skill of her skipper, and, as Ted put it, the value of a not-so-old-fashioned bow thruster.

Ted says he’s always felt that wide beam and large genoas were both good for performance and readily adaptable to cruising boats-a vision verified by the 55 under sail. He adds that the shoal-draft Scheel keel was ahead of its time, and on this boat, by adding a centerboard to the Scheel keel’s flat bulb, he’s ensured good windward performance.

The 55’s extra freeboard adds a bit of a trawler look and increases windage, but it also affords drier decks on a rough slog to weather.

A neat bit of seafaring subtlety lies behind the design of the inside steering station. The enclosure provides superlative shelter but isn’t part of the interior volume of the vessel, and in the unlikely scenario that the windows are damaged by heavy seas, water is kept abovedecks by companionway “washboards” that can be slipped into place during a storm. This, like the watertight bulkhead forward, is a seamanlike feature of definite value for serious passagemakers.

When the sun reappears and the crew emerges from the comfortable pilothouse-like hard dodger that protects the front of the cockpit, they can take the helm at either of the twin wheels. The hydraulic-steering system and dual-rudder design integrate flawlessly with the autopilot.

Construction Basics

Tekad Marine, in Turkey, did a good job of laminating a rugged, well-engineered hull. Vinylester resin was used for the outer skin coats, and a schedule of E-glass stitched roving and mat constitutes the laminate on either side of one-inch ATC Core-Cell AL-500 foam-sandwich material. The Expedition 55 was built on a male jig rather than in a female mold. Computer-generated station templates were used to define the transverse shape of the hull and deck, and these were set up on a center-line strongback, with battens slotted in place defining the hull’s contours. The foam core was secured to the jig, and the outer layers of fiberglass were laminated over the core. Once cured, the vessel was rolled right-side up, the jig removed, and the inside hull skin applied. The core was cut out in high-load areas and in-filled with extra layers of glass laminate. The deck was built in a similar fashion, with solid-fiberglass backing plates used where appropriate. Once fully cured, a combination of bonding and mechanical fastening joined the hull and deck. Fiberglass tanks were built into the hull, and a stick-built approach to the custom interior made good use of the shipwright’s carpenters.

Robin’s interior is finished in satin-varnished cherry, and there’s a teak-and-holly-veneered plywood cabin sole. Throughout, the carpentry skills of the Turkish builder are a clear indicator of traditional craftsmanship. Adding European flair, in both head compartments I found extensive use of ceramics and metal appointments as well as marble surfaces and recessed bullet lights with metal trim. Aft, the owner’s cabin features an island berth of suite proportions, and with its own head and the cockpit-length separation from the main saloon, true privacy can be maintained.

The saloon makes use of all 18 feet of the boat’s maximum beam and provides for a dining and entertaining experience usually seen only on much larger yachts. The interplay between the galley, to starboard and aft, and the combination dining table and port settee as well as the “cocktail alcove,” to starboard, means that between offshore adventures, guests have no need to hold a drink and hors d’oeuvres on their laps. Add to this the large, collapsible cockpit table, and entertaining can take on a whole new level of sophistication.

From stem to stern, the layout should work as well at anchor as it does at sea. There are plenty of storage lockers and drawers, along with room for 800 amp-hours of 24-volt ship’s batteries and a large inverter. The tradeoff for all this creature comfort in the stern of the boat is the lack of a “climb-in” engine room, but that’s compensated for with good access-panel openings to get at key components associated with the engine and generator. By no means, however, is there full-360-degree convenience for the mechanic coping with an overhaul, and when it finally comes time to repower, some disassembly of the surrounding joiner work and the engine will be necessary.

The Expedition 55’s deck, forward of the mast, is that of a no-nonsense flush-deck cruising sailboat, sporting the right gear placed in the right location. Whether it’s the functional stem rollers and powerful Lofrans Tigres anchor windlass, rugged chainplates, or the utilitarian choice of Awlgrip nonskid rather than teak, the E-55 is all about form and function.

The in-mast-furling spar, from Charleston Spar, has winches and rope clutches located where they’re handy and easy to use. The genoa can easily be poled out on a self-stowing, extendable carbon-fiber whisker pole. The massive triple-spreader rig and the Facnor headsail furlers handle 2,000 square feet of working sail and make reefing and furling possible for a shorthanded crew. The mainsail itself is a tricky compromise between performance-enhancing draft and roach and a flatter, no-roach, easy-to-furl alternative. During our sail, Ted demonstrated how to toggle a power furler to clear a furling mainsail that starts to bind. He emphasized the importance of not trying to overpower the bind by winching either in or out; instead, one should gently toggle back and forth, coaxing the bind to release.

As might be expected aboard any Hood-designed sailboat, the rig and deck hardware are in the right place, and the layout of sailhandling equipment proved to be well thought out. For example, Ted pointed out why the inner forestaysail was tacked well aft of the headstay, closer to the main, where the sail would actually clean up the airflow past the large, turbulence-producing obstacle the mast represents. It also moves the center of effort of this handy heavy-weather sail aft and adds versatility to the sail plan.

Under sail, the high freeboard has some beneficial effects. It allows the center of buoyancy to move up and to leeward of the centerline, in effect causing it to separate from the fixed vertical center of gravity, thereby significantly increasing the righting moment. Much of the Expedition’s ability to stand up to its high-aspect-ratio sail plan has to do with this additional freeboard and the vessel’s wide beam carried aft. The powercruiser-like chine that’s been molded into the forefoot of the vessel works in conjunction with the freeboard and flare to keep the decks dry when powering dead to windward. And the wide stern and leaner forward sections help dampen pitching moment in a seaway.

For decades, Ted’s formula for success has been to design, build, sail, and sell the boats he envisions. The latest Robin is an amalgam of power and sail, an effort to draw from the best of both worlds-and after a close look and a short sea trial, it was clear that the man from Marblehead may well have done it again.

Ralph Naranjo lives in Annapolis, Maryland. His book, The Art of Seamanship, will be published by International Marine next year.

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7 Best Sailboats Under $20,000

You can buy a fully-equipped and serviceable sailboat for less than $20,000 on the used market. Most of these vessels are fiberglass sloops.

Used sailboats between 20 and 30 feet in length can be found for between $10,000 and $20,000 nationwide, especially on the coast. Catalina, O'Day, and Islander sailboats are common in this price range and lots of fun to sail.

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What to Look for When Buying a Used Sailboat

When buying a used sailboat, it's essential to carefully inspect the vessel and look for flaws and structural issues. Sailboats in this price range are often ready to sail or just need minor improvements.

For the price, an older fiberglass 20 to 30-foot sailboat should be in good to excellent condition. Here's what to look for when buying a used sailboat and what to expect in the sub-$20,000 range.

Overall Condition

The overall condition of the boat is important, as it gives you an idea of how well the vessel was maintained. A sailboat with a clean, glossy hull, a solid deck, fresh varnish, and polished brass is an excellent sign of a responsible owner.

However, a sailboat with rust, corroded aluminum parts, a filthy hull, and a moldy interior was likely neglected in more ways than one. The first impressions of a sailboat can give you a pretty good idea of what lies below the surface.

Hull and Deck

Fiberglass boats are quite impervious to weather and corrosion, but problems occur when water penetrates the hull. Soft spots form around areas where the fiberglass cracks and water permeates.

Look for 'dented' areas of the deck where water pools up, as deformities can be a sign of something worse going on underneath. Check the bilge for excessive water but be mindful that some boats came with 'wet' bilges.

Does the vessel have all of its standing rigging tightened and maintained? What about sails, halyards, and sheets? If the rigging is present and neatly organized, it's a good sign that you're getting your money's worth.

If the vessel has an inboard motor, check the condition and fire it up. Inboards can be an expensive nightmare if they're neglected, which is often the case on used sailboats. See how it runs and make sure it responds to forward and reverse.

Sailboats are notorious for poor wiring and electrical issues. Much of the time, sailboats were shoddily wired from the factory, and sometimes the issue is related to improper maintenance or water damage.

Check the switchboard and make sure everything works. Try the radio, cabin lights, engine starter, hydraulic systems, and bilge pumps. A few broken lights or dead outlets are acceptable, but an electrically-neglected vessel can be a nightmare and a navigational hazard.

Best Affordable Used Sailboats Under 20k

Owning a used sailboat is a great way to explore local waterways and occupy the weekends. Sailboats made by well-known manufacturers were produced in huge numbers in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s.

These vessels are seaworthy and affordable, which makes them an excellent choice for budget-friendly sailing. Here are seven of the best used sailboats for under $20,000.

7. West Wight Potter 19

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It's difficult to omit the West Wight Potter 19 from a list of the best affordable sailboats for under $20,000, as this vessel is exceptional by almost every metric. The West Wight Potter 19 is the ultimate small trailer sailboat.

The vessel is a V-bottom sloop with a fiberglass hull and a centerboard. It was introduced in 1971 and has since become very popular from the United States all the way to Australia. It's a hardy coastal and inland cruising vessel that's made occasional offshore trips, including one from San Francisco to Hawaii.

It measures just under 19 feet overall and has a width of 7 feet 6 inches. With the keel up, it has a draft of only 6 inches, making it a beachable and trailerable cruising boat.

For its size, the West Wight Potter 19 has spacious accommodations below. It features a center-mounted split galley with a stove and a sink, along with space for a head below the stove.

A V-berth upfront offers sleeping quarters for two, and two additional berths aft bring the comfortable capacity up to four. The centerboard trunk in the center of the cabin features rigging to raise, lower, and lock the centerboard.

The West Wight Potter 19 features a fast-rigging system that allows one person to raise and rig the mast in just a few minutes. It's easy to sail, safe, and plenty of fun. Plus, the hull features positive floatation foam, which makes it quite literally unsinkable.

6. Contessa 26

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The Contessa 26 is a unique and capable mid-sized sailboat. It's a fast boat and a common sight at long-range regattas like the singlehanded TransPac race from San Francisco to Hawaii.

The Contessa 26 was produced starting in 1966, but the design dates much further back. The basic hull shape of the Contessa 26 was based on a Nordic Folkboat designed in the late 1930s for speed and agility at sea. As it turned out, the design also proved to be quite seaworthy.

The Contessa 26 was produced up until the end of the 1970s. She measures 25.5 feet overall, with a waterline length of 20 feet. The Contessa 26 has a reasonable beam of 7.5 feet, giving it good stability and seakeeping characteristics without sacrificing speed or handling.

The Contessa 26 is not a trailerable sailboat by most definitions, as it weighs 5,400 lbs and has a 4-foot draft. It has a full ballast keel, which makes it a stout offshore sailing platform. That said, its relatively small draft makes it safe to operate in shallow inland waters.

The accommodations of the Contessa 26 are excellent for its size, and it comfortably sleeps between one and five adults. It features standing headroom, a basic galley, a head with shower, and a standard V-berth upfront.

Space below leaves much to be desired, as vessels like the Catalina 30 outshine it significantly. But overall, the Contessa 26 is an excellent cruising sailboat with a classic design and sharp performance.

5. Catalina 30

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The Catalina 30 is one of the best used sailboats available for coastal and offshore cruising. If spacious accommodations are important to you, then you can't go wrong with this 30-foot Catalina sloop.

The vessel features a tall and stout Bermuda rig with an aluminum mast and standard rigging. The Catalina 30 measures 29.92 feet overall, with a length of 25 feet at the waterline. With a beam of 10.83 feet, the Catalina 30 is a wide and stable vessel.

Catalina 30 sailboats feature a long fin keel and a relatively deep 5.25-foot draft, which requires care when operating in shallow water. However, offshore the Catalina 30 has proven to be a seaworthy and well-handling vessel.

Overall, the Catalina 30 weighs just over 10,200 lbs. She's not exactly trailerable, but most marinas can haul out a Catalina 30 without too much trouble.

Interior accommodations on board are stellar. With sleeping room for seven adults, the Catalina 30 is a fantastic family boat. It features a full galley, a head and shower, a chart table, and a spacious dinette.

Over 6,000 Catalina 30 sailboats have been produced since 1972, making it one of the most popular sailboats ever built. A decent used Catalina 30 can be had for around $10,000 to $15,000 on the used market.

4. Islander 28

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Another popular and classic 1970s fiberglass sloop is the Islander 28. Launched in 1975, the Islander 28 is an affordable and well-handling sailboat with a reputation for durability and seaworthiness.

The Islander 28 is a masthead sloop with a spade rudder and a fin keel. It displaces 7,000 lbs and has a relatively wide 9.83-foot beam. The Islander 28 measures 27.92 feet overall with a waterline length of 23.08 feet.

Islander sailboats are some of the most common vessels of the 1970s and 1980s. And though not as numerous as the Catalina 30, the Islander 28 is still a popular boat on the used market.

Islander 28 sailboats aren't exactly shoal draft, but their moderate 5-foot draft means they're safe to operate in most harbors. And while not technically trailerable, the Islander 28 is small and light enough to be hauled out and repaired in most boatyards.

The Islander 28 sleeps six adults comfortably and features full accommodations below. These include two seats, a galley, a table, a head with shower, and a V-berth forward.

An Islander 28 is a wise choice for coastal and offshore cruising. It's a stout, safe, and fun boat for the family, and it's easy for moderately experienced sailors to handle. A decent used fully-equipped Islander 28 can be found for less than $20,000 on the used market.

3. Compac 23

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Compac is a well-known sailboat manufacturer with a long history of producing swift compact cruising boats. The Compac 23 is a large sailboat in a miniature package.

This vessel is ideal for those looking for a small and easy to handle sailboat with spacious accommodations. It features a fiberglass hull, an extensive cabin, and a shallow draft of just over 2 feet.

The Compac 23 has an overall length of just an inch shy of 24 feet, and a beam of 8 feet. Its dimensions make it stable and easy to handle, and it doesn't heel excessively. Overall, the Compac 23 displaces 3,000 lbs.

The interior accommodations of the Compac 23 set it apart from other vessels in its size category. The interior features a separated galley with a sink and a stove, seats, and a V-berth upfront. It also has plenty of well-thought-out storage space throughout the cabin.

The Compac 23 is also available with a pilothouse configuration, which features standing headroom and a clever table arrangement aft. The vessel features a skeg rudder and a long fixed fin keel, which removes the cumbersome centerboard trunk from the cabin.

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The Cal 25 is a formidable cruiser for its size. While technically a fin- keel sailboat , the Cal 25 features a long ballast keel that offers superior stability and windward performance.

Some would consider the Cal 25 a "flush-deck" sailboat, as the top section of the cabin runs flush with the bow to the cockpit. This design increases cabin space and improves the lines of the boat.

The Cal 25 was produced between 1965 and 1976, making it one of the older fiberglass sloops on our list. That said, Cal Yachts build quality is excellent, and many serviceable examples of the 1,848 original Cal 25 sailboats still exist.

The vessel measures 25 feet overall, with a waterline length of 20 feet. She has a beam of exactly 8 feet and a relatively shallow draft of just 4 feet. The Cal 25 has a modest displacement of 4,000 lbs, making it a relatively practical trailer-sailer option.

The Cal 25 usually came with an outboard motor instead of an inboard to save space. The helm is controlled by a tiller, which maneuvers a skeg rudder located underneath the cockpit. With the mast collapsed, the Cal 25 is a great sailboat for winter storage and summer use.

The level of fit and finish varies between boats, as some were outfitted with finer wood and more premium features than others. The cockpit is spacious for its size, and the cabin headroom is excellent. The Compac 23 is an ideal used shoal-draft cruising sailboat in the sub-$20,000 category, and it's still produced today.

1. Catalina 22

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The Catalina 22 was the first sailboat of countless families across the United States. This sleek 22-foot vessel was designed to be the perfect 'starter boat' for sailors who wanted to explore inland waterways and coastal areas.

The Catalina 22 was first introduced in 1969. It has an overall length of 21.5 feet and a beam of 7.67 feet. Catalina 22 sailboats are truly trailerable, as most come with a retractable swing keel. With the keel or centerboard down, the Catalina 22 has a draft of 5 feet.

The Catalina 22 is the most popular sailboat ever produced in its class. With over 15,000 built, this vessel is common on the used market, and parts are abundant. Overall, a standard Catalina 22 sloop weighs around 2,490 lbs, making it practical to tow behind most half-ton pickup trucks or V8 SUVs.

Fiberglass boats like the Catalina 22 are an excellent choice for first-time sailors looking for a fun and capable family boat with overnight accommodations. The Catalina 22 sleeps four adults comfortably, but five can fit if the crew are comfortable with a tighter arrangement.

The most unique feature of the Catalina 22 is its camper-like pop top. The top of the cabin, which normally provides sitting headroom, can be popped up several inches past the original height. This is an excellent feature for cooking at anchor, as it provides standing headroom over the galley and part of the settee.

Pre-owned Catalina 22 sailboats in ready-to-sail configuration run anywhere from $5,000 to $15,000. Fiberglass sailboats like the Catalina 22 make excellent freshwater or saltwater daysailers, and some have completed lengthier offshore voyages.

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Raised cabin vs flush deck

Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by gmat , Nov 16, 2013 .

gmat graham

A lot of monohulls have side decks for accessing the front of the boat, and a raised cabin in the center of the boat giving head room below. If we took the roof of the raised cabin and extended it out to the sides of the boat, making a flush deck, we would get the same head room in the boat, but more actual space inside. Is there any reason other than aesthetics why such flush deck designs are not common? They should have roughly the same windage as the standard raised cabin approach ...  

PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

As with everything, there's good and bad to consider. This is a raised, flush deck: http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/medium/RYD-39.jpg as is this: and it is the strongest way to build a deck. Right about where the bottom of the ports are (my drawing), is where the sheer would be, if it was a conventional deck line (on the Cal 20 the sheer is more obvious). Of course, you'd need a "trunk" cabin sticking through the deck to offer the same headroom below. A trunk cabin does limit headroom somewhat, though along the sides of the interior are usually cabinets and seating, so you're not really standing there, but aesthetically, it's a much "bigger" space. If the truck cabin has it's sides pushed out to the rail, you gain this interior volume too, but it also makes it more difficult to climb over it to get to the foredeck. This type of cabin can make a small boat seem much bigger inside, even if the additional volume doesn't really affect the living spaces in a practical manner. This type of cabin (as well as the raised deck) will improve the stability curve a bit too, though there's a weight and a bit of windage penalty you have to pay for this convenience (more material and surface area). Also the trunk cabin pushed out to the deck edge leaves a place for boarding waves to pile up, particularly if you have deep bulwarks. Good scuppers can fix this issue. http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/501/medium/BYYB-223.jpg Ultimately, potential buyers seem to like trunk cabins more than flush decks. I personally don't mind flush decks, often and usually requiring a "broken sheer" line, which most do find less aesthetically desirable. On my flush deck above, I use both the back half of a trunk cabin and the raised, flush deck. The idea being a transition to the flush deck, so you climb up to a conventional height sidedeck, before again climbing up onto the flush deck. So, yes some of the points you raise are reasonable, though there's more than meets the eye. There are a few other ways to skin this fish too.  

michael pierzga Senior Member

Works ok on a small boat. On bigger boats it is undesirable for many reasons  

troy2000 Senior Member

michael pierzga said: ↑ Works ok on a small boat. On bigger boats it is undesirable for many reasons Click to expand...

Well, imagine what the lifelines would look like on a bigger boat with two deck levels. Not pleasing to the eye. Small boats usually dont have stantions and life lines around the boat. Then consider that all the work that needs to be done on a sailboat...its sails ..are in the front of the boat and the best place for the work to take place, the controls , winches, are in the back near the crew and helmsman. It becomes difficult to leed all these lines aft to a level lower than the maindeck. It can be done but its complicated. Far easier to have normal side decks and a cabin house on a bigger sailing boat. Raised deck small sailboats are very nice. The classicis the stonehorse design http:// sube fotos  

I agree that the space is possibly more of a perception than actual useable space. But I have seen the inside of a few flush decks boats and the perception is strong I was wondering why you consider there to be more windage. In the traditional raised cabin the windage is from the side of the boat plus the side of the cabin. In a flush deck the windage is from the extra high deck side, but the extra height is the same height as the cabin side in the traditional design. I take your point about scuppers -- very important. About getting to the back deck I am thinking about a 51-52 foot pilot house design with flush decks, and so trying to work out how to get to the deck in such a configuration. Also you say there is more than one way to skin this fish. I must admit I am at a loss other than flush deck or traditional.  

On some boats it works.. A motorsailor for instance. http:// imagen  

If you look at the evolution of sailboat deck design in the last 40 or 50 years, all sorts of ways have been tried to reduce windage and provide headroom under a deck. The old CCA style of yachts, pretty much all had trunk cabins sticking up through the deck. Some may have had rounded fronts, but they still just pocked through the deck. The side decks were low, crown was increased, bulwarks lowered, extruded toe rails introduced, etc. Blister style of decks appeared in the early 70's with the introduction of the IOR racers, again to reduce windage, yet still keep the sheer low. Progressively, the new hull forms of these yachts, required the sheer to be raised and a lot more deck crown employed, often designed with a thick deck flange (several inches), further raising the sheer line, to provide headroom below a reasonably sized deck house structure. Again, there are issues with both approaches (raised deck/trunk cabin). It's a mater of scale. The Cal 20 is just too small to have a reasonable head room below, yet the Flicka, using huge roof crown and deep belly can pull it off. These are aesthetic considerations for the most part, as expecting standing headroom in a 20' Flicka is just a wish for a canoe belly design. This is the rub, between say 20' to 35' on deck with modern, shallow hull forms. You can build the hull down and increase the draft, wetted surface and hull volume, for sufficient headroom without a Winnebago parked on the deck or use some other sort of visual trick, to fool the eye into thinking is not a Winnebago, but just a minivan sitting up there (like Flicka does). Once you get over the small and smaller medium size yachts, you have more then enough hull volume to contain the headroom. In terms of windage, you want a surfboard with a sail attached, but this doesn't offer much enclosed headroom. Anything bigger does and it's surface area and protrusions that you try to "clean" up. As I mentioned, there's lots of stuff to consider, like stanchion arrangements, which can be ugly on a broken sheer deck line, though they also can be acceptable, if well thought out. Life line arrangements aren't typically given a lot of thought, after they've been sized and spaced appropriately, but the better designers do put some aesthetic consideration into them, some quite clever. There's no doubt from a structural stand point, flush decks are much stronger, compared to a trunk cabin arrangement on the same hull. It also does make an interior feel much larger, even if the hull shape and typical accommodation setups do limit the practical nature of this increased volume. In the end, the choice can be a practical one, particularly on a small boat or maybe an blue water vessel, looking for every strength advantage it can get. I have a 50' design with a pilothouse and flush deck. I use the pilothouse as the transition from the standard deck height to the raised portion. It helps mitigate the break in the sheer, with the bulk of the pilothouse obscuring the sheer break. On a 50' - 52' yacht, especially if not performance oriented (the pilothouse suggests it's not), it pretty easy to make a pleasing profile. Trying the same thing on a 35'er will be quite tough, but you can still pull it off, though you'll have to make more design concessions in other areas.  

Thanks for all the comments -- very interesting. The boat I am thinking of isn't supposed to be a speed machine (although I don't want a slug either ). It's a blue-water design for living on, and for traveling anywhere. I started with the Sponberg 45 design ( http://www.sponbergyachtdesign.com/Globetrotter45.htm ), and have been messing with different ideas, in particular making it a flush deck design.  

You should stay with Mr Sponbergs design and not change it. The boat looks very well thought out. Other concepts would be the Freedom 40 type . Flush decks at sea are very intimidating for crew with no handholds, no toe grips and a long fall to the leeward side Flush deck never provide spray shelter for deck ventilation hatchs, hence they must be permanently dogged down  

I disagree, in that flush decks are intimating at sea. Foot holds are usually installed, and if doubt, going forward without a safety lanyard will just show you how foolish you are. A wave or splash tall enough to climb over a raised deck bow, will also climb over a traditional sheered bow and it's trunk cabin, entering it's trunk mounted hatch. In fact the higher freeboard will cause less water to come aboard. Still it's a thing most sailors will have issue with, mostly because it's different than what they're familiar with. When GPS came in, many clung to their Loran units, hoping it was just a fad, but eventually adapted and this is the case with every different or new innovation in yachting. Old dodgers like me and Michael are hard to train for new tricks. Maybe with a shock collar, we can get Michael on board a flush decker.  

I agree that the Sponberg 45 is a very nicely thought out boat. And I am not trying to change it necessarily, but to learn from it. For example I learned about free standing rigs from it. The rig is so different, so I wondered what else could be different (but useful, different to be different is pointless and possibly dangerous).  

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Raised decks by Ted Brewer http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_glass/bluejeans.htm http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_wood/mb&s.htm http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_steel/northeast.htm http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3660 And William Tripp http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2632 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2517 Bruce King http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2774 Dick Carter http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2439 Jerry Cartwright http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5745 Ron Holland http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2566 Peter Ibold http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=4051 DicK Koopmans http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=7162 Myself.... http://www.tadroberts.ca/services/new-design/sail/pilotbay38  

Thanks for all the links. The Cartwright 44 is actually where I first discovered the idea of the flush deck, and with a pilot house.  

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tom28571 Senior Member

Flush deck or trunk cabin is almost always decided based n personal taste with only a little bit of practicality thrown in. I happen to like flush deck designs in both large and small boats but the advantages of the extra volume is most appreciated in the smaller ones. That extra volume is not just aesthetics. It provides a lot of righting moment in a big seaway or knockdown and, in many cases, makes it possible to sit on the sleeping berths and lean back comfortably, which may not be possible at all on their trunk cabin cousins where your head will bang the side deck. When there is no other suitable upright seating available on the interior, that is no small thing. There is extra windage in a flush deck in spite of an apparently equal height in profile, since negative windage is most apparent when the boat is heeled going to weather. There are many very handsome boats in either flush deck or trunk cabin and some that are really in between with only a small bubble of a trunk poking through the broad deck.  

Atkin's Two Brothers, a 28' 9½" LOA raised deck pirogue-rigged Seabright Skiff, just for info.

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Throughout Season 9 of Below Deck Mediterranean , we've seen Gael Cameron and Nathan Gallagher 's relationship flourish — but where will they go after the charter season is over? During a preview for the season finale, which airs Sept. 23, Gael explains what freaks her out about dating her beau after they depart Mustique .

"It's really starting to hit me: Nathan and I are really about to leave the boat together. Every so often, I kind of have a little freakout moment where I'm like, 'Is this the right choice?' I'm about to have to sh-t in front of him," she joked in a confessional.

Ultimately, though, Gael is excited at the prospect of dating Nathan off the boat. "I've had people who I thought loved me and have done really horrible things to me, and then I speak to him and everything seems to feel okay again."

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It’s the last charter on Below Deck Mediterranean season 9: yes, we’re on the penultimate episode, also known as the episode where absolutely nothing happens because the editors are saving everything good for next week’s finale.

With Below Deck Med ending, Bravo just announced the next in the franchise: Below Deck Sailing Yacht will return. Bravo’s press release mentions the return of Captain Glenn, Daisy, and Gary (ugh), though the preview that ran during the commercials excluded Gary entirely. Is that because of what reportedly happened during season four ?

Alas, Gary is in this extended trailer . I just don’t know if I can take a season of that fucking guy, so I hope it minimizes him and/or he falls overboard and has to swim to shore, because the rest looks fun, from a naked person falling on Glenn to Drag Race alum Detox on board as a guest. That starts Oct. 7.

Today, we’re starting the last charter, with guest Stacey Jennings his husband Brad Driver, who you may remember from Below Deck Down Under . I barely did; I barely will. Is it too much to ask for some drunk guests to throw a chair in the water or something?

First, though, Gael recovers from her breakdown about Nathan planning to have Joe visit him. “I’m okay. I just had a moment of weakness,” Gael said, trying to smile so hard I thought her head might actually pop.

“Go and have cuddles,” Aesha said, putting Gael in Nathan’s bed. Nathan asked her what’s wrong and she said “nothing.” Ah, communication. This relationship is going to last, what, one or two days beyond this season?

Later, Gael told Nathan, “I still don’t really know you,” and he said “shut up.”

Nathan said, “I love you more and more,” and Gael said, “Okay, just show it.” Then Joe came in and Nathan crawled down in his bunk and showed Gael how much he loves her.

Meanwhile, Joe is still salivating over Carrie, but says, “I don’t even want to go there.” Nathan told us that is “utter bullshit” and said “that is what he does.” Yep, your bro is a fuckboy.

In real love news, Captain Sandy’s girlfriend is on the way to visit and either get engaged or reject Captain Sandy on national TV. Aesha is producing this event, and shares that they all live in Colorado together, hang out, and compare poop, or at least I assume they would if Aesha had her way.

For this Sandy wants just a simple, casual moment, like a flower-lined dock leading to a table where there’s a violinist and “peach tea in a champagne glass,” and all of that has to be flawless. “I just want it to be perfect,” she says, “absolutely perfect.”

Well, okay then, as long as you don’t set impossibly high standards for one five-minute period in your life that will be orchestrated in part by your crew of incompetent dummies. (A preview for next week shows Joe getting a line wrapped up in the tender’s propeller, so that’s exciting.)

Sandy is worried about her mortal enemy, wind. “I hope the weather’s going to be great,” she says.

In the funniest moment, Sandy asks Aesha if she thinks Leah will know what’s happening. Aesha’s like, um, yeah, once she sees the fact that you’ve stage managed the dock so much it looks like a Bachelorette finale.

She’ll probably also know because Sandy is basically spoiling it: “I have a special treat for you tomorrow,” Sandy says, and her girlfriend said, “You and your surprises.” I expected Sandy to be like, You’ll never guess what it is! Definitely not a proposal!! What is your ring size?

The episode’s major drama, if you can call it that, involves Ellie, who’s still quite insecure about Carrie’s presence on the boat. She’s constantly seeking reassurance from Aesha (DO WE DROP CARRIE OFF AT DOCK AND LEAVE HER NOW?) and micromanaging the other stews (PUT BALLOON THERE YOU STUPID COW!).

During their stew meeting, there’s a fleeting moment when Aesha praises Bri for the laundry, which has miraculously not been delivered to the crew of Below Deck Sailing Yacht , and then praised Ellie’s table decorations, and says, “you’re nailing it.”

But then Aesha shares that Carrie is much faster at all the tasks, and Ellie’s face sinks and I think she may have tried to dig her eyes out with her fingers:

Aesha’s so over Ellie that she’s being overtly hostile, which for Aesha equals sarcasm. Ellie is in her cabin when provisions arrive, and when she finally arrives on Deck, Aesha says, “Oh, thanks for coming up right at the end. We finished.”

Ellie tries to help Bri in cabins, and Aesha is like, “No. Just do what I’ve said.” Then she notices Ellie hasn’t wiped down the walls, and calls for Ellie because “there’s finger marks everywhere,” probably from Joe trying to hit on the wood paneling.

But Ellie is dancing in the crew mess and having fun—which, honestly, it’s nice to see Ellie not trying to destroy everyone with laser eyes, but also Aesha is pissed that Ellie’s ignoring her.

Carrie doesn’t mind Ellie bossing her around, noting that it’s “nice to not have a lot of responsibility” after her last job, when “I went from chief stew to caregiver” when the boat’s owner’s wife died. Yikes.

The guests arrive and Iain, awake from a nap, does the shocker and yells “it’s the last charter,” and I was embarrassed for him and everyone in that interview room.

Iain does manage to get the boat out of the dock without ramming it into another boat, prompting one of the gaggle of gays to say “they pulled out clean.” That’s about the level of entertainment these guests bring: gay sex jokes.

Down in the galley, Jono is thrilled for “a group of guests that are all queer” because “I haven’t met many gay or Black people in the industry,” and he makes a valid point about diversity in yachting that I ignored because I was too busy trying to make a joke out of “I haven’t met many…” …other chefs? YouTube recipes that weren’t from someone’s grandma? charter guests who I haven’t killed?

Jono wants to “make sure they’re extra happy,” and thus plans on, and I quote, “flavor flavor okurrr.”

For an example of how much the editors stretched to fill this episode and save the actual content for next week’s finale, they included this actual exchange:

Sandy: “How’s it going?” Jono: “Wonderfully. How are you?” Sandy: “Good.”

Ellie is confused about why the guests want a party themed to “Swedish pop music. We’re in Greece.” But ultimately she doesn’t care, because, as she says, “Table decor at this point is the only thing bringing me any sort of joy on this soul-sucking boat.”

Below deck, Nathan’s in tighty whities showing off his penis to the world while trying to get into costume. Gael asks, “How’s anyone fit this?” She’s apparently talking about the costume, a leotard that seems designed for a child, because it fits about up to Nathan’s mid-torso. Aesha sees him and says, “Well-done. That’s quite large.”

In a joint bro interview, Joe called it “very questionable” and Nathan said, “when me granddad sees me in that, I’ll lose me surname.”

In Iain news, he put the Progress Pride flag up , and hung it correctly. He also asks to go on the excursion to Posideon’s Temple with the guests. Sandy agrees, probably because having her bosun off the boat is safer than having him on it.

Aesha decided to send Bri as a reward for not putting all of their clothes in the trash, or trying to wash their laundry using champagne. Bri was so thrilled that she hugged Aesha through tears.

Iain told us that, “in my role, I find I’m sometimes more behind the scenes, making everything run,” which must be what he’s doing in bed all the time.

“I’ve always been an entertainment kind of person,” he says, and that comes in the form of facts about temple he shares with the guests. Hilariously, Bri tells us, “Iain and I really aren’t the best entertainers on the boat.” Oh, you’re entertaining, just for your incompetence.

Oh, I kid Bri and Iain. Seriously, Iain seems—pretty great with the guests? He’s laughing, they’re having fun, he has facts, they seem interested. I mean, this is just a few moments of screen time, but maybe he’s in the wrong job? The same might be true for Bri, too. She offers the guests ice water instead of, say, motor oil. Impressive!

The trip seems fine and the guests seem happy and there’s just nothing happening. Back on board, Sandy tells Iain, “go and get the drag queens,” and he says, “Joe and Gael will go,” because of course he’ll have others do the work. Joe is somehow not a monstrous dick to Gael on the boat ride, and Gael wonders why he can’t be like that all the time.

Aesha asks Carrie about Ellie, who says, “If I had to do a whole season like this, I’d be really struggling to bite my tongue.” Aesha finally snaps when Ellie starts clearing the table without radioing, I think, and then it’s time for the big confrontation!

“I feel like you have been overstepping as the second,” Aesha tells Ellie, the line we’ve already heard in the preview for the episode and the teasers during the breaks. “The job as the second is to delegate when I’m not around.”

But wait: the credits are starting. What?! “I would never disrespect you like that,” Ellie says, and instead of Aesha, say, firing her, we get a flashback to all of Ellie’s bad second stew behavior, like when she screamed at Bri, “SINCE YOU DON’T KNOW HOW BOATS WORK SECOND STEW OUTRANKS YOU.”

The preview for the finale shows Ellie saying, “Fuck that. I’m not taking shit.” But based on how this season has gone, I’d guess that Ellie does, in fact, not receive any actual shit. But a firing in the finale would certainly be dramatic!

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More here: http://mills-design.com/news/"         11-08-2017, 09:37   I recently had the opportunity to board a Sundeer 56/60 while I was on another boat that had to raft up to it in St. John's (Newfoundland) harbor. While I was not able to see below decks because the owner/crew was not aboard at the time, I was very impressed by what I saw when I carefully and quietly crossed their decks to first tie up to the boat and then later, to get ashore. The first impression was "high quality." Everything on this particular boat looked "Bristol condition" and all of the and finish looked perfect. Everything from the trim (minimal) to the stainless was in perfect condition. My second impression was of the hard dodger/Pilothouse. I liked what I saw. Some Sundeer have a soft , but most apparently have a hard (doghouse) or pilothouse. This one was long enough for two internal settees that looked about 6 feet long. It was very nicely constructed, and appears to give excellent visibility to anyone sitting inside on watch. On this particular boat, the doghouse/pilothouse had an enclosed build, with doors to the rest of the . I mention this, because I have seen others that were open (no doors enclosing the aft end of pilothouse). I very much liked what I saw. I suppose the doors could be removed in the tropics (on other boats), but in the cold location I was in at the time, the thought of a nice dry and warm protected pilothouse/doghouse was appreciated. My third impression was of the wide side decks as I walked forward towards the bow (we had to raft up). These are designed as flush deck boats, so the deck forward of the pilothouse is relatively flat and open. I walked forward and past the numerous large Dorade vents (the boat has 10), each with a granny bar guard around it. The impression I had was of "great working deck space" and "security" from numerous handholds and a higher lifeline (I estimate 32 inches). The relatively flat deck was covered in nice anti-slip . Everything felt "high quality" and well designed. There were several large square deck hatches too. Here are some more facts and statements from my notes on this boat design. , so over the years I have collected some facts and snippets of descriptions. I encourage sailors to read about these boats and their design because they represent such a high level of "blue boat design" and have many interesting features. The photos I am below are simply added to illustrate this boat. The Sundeer line includes a 64 footer, and you may see one in the following photos, I am adding it to show the design too. They are very similar. The 56/60 is essentially the same boat, with the 60 having a larger lazzerette locker in the stern. ______________________ Steady: Designed by Steve Dashew. To learn more about Dashew, his name to find his site "Set Sail" and then read his bio and some of his (he has provided several of his excellent as free download PDF files). I learned a lot by reading his "Offshore Cruising Encyclopedia" 28 years ago, and it is one of his free books today. Highly recommended. Snippets from other : "They were built by Tillotson Industrial Composites or TPI for short in Warren, . They produced seventeen of the 56/60 Sundeers from 1994 to 1997. They regularly average over 200 nautical miles a day . The Sundeer has large capacity carrying 400 gallons of water and 220 gallons of . or , or in most places an air conditioner. A good review (written in 2000) tells some details. Here are some excerpts: " intake is via a through-hull fitting that feeds a manifold with taps to the , fridge, toilets, etc., and all output is through a above the waterline in the stern of the boat, or through big structural standpipes that require no seacocks. pumps, and a single high-capacity engine-driven crash has intakes plumbed into each compartment for use. With a Displacement/Length ratio of 80, the boat's qualifies it as an ultralight , but its rig, with a Sail Area/Displacement ratio of 17.5 is, by comparison, quite conservative. This is of the Sundeer : a light, very easily-driven coupled with a modest, easily handled sail plan. Most importantly, the radical D/L is achieved not through radical lightweight construction, but primarily through hullform. , arguably the single most significant factor when it comes to performance, while minimizing beam, thus greatly reducing wetted surface while maintaining directional stability. The entry is very fine and the bilges are rounded rather than flat, reducing both horizontal and vertical wave resistance. Because the long, narrow hull has good directional stability and does not need a tall rig to drive it, the can be kept short and shallow, further reducing wetted surface while enhancing structural integrity. For cruising sailors this has added benefits. The six-foot allows access to shoal-water cruising grounds, and the 64-foot mast can squeak under bridges on the Intracoastal Waterway. and Sail Handling: What struck us most about the Sundeer is that under sail she does not feel at all like a 60-foot boat. From behind the , the impression is of an easily managed 45-footer. Only when one starts moving forward along the deck toward the bow and notices the trip takes longer than expected is the boat's true size made apparent. In anything approaching favorable conditions, it will be easy to push this boat over 200 miles a day, and in ideal conditions, you should see around 240 miles. But the most remarkable aspect of the boat's speed is how effortless it can seem. On several occasions in moderate conditions, when it felt as though the boat was just lazing along, we glanced at the speedo and were surprised to find we were turning a crisp 10 knots. One may be tempted to dismiss the of a 60-foot boat that can be easily sailed by one or two people as oxymoronic, but, in fact, it is not. Again, this is not a large boat, simply a long one. The rig is short and the can be set, reefed and furled without any or hydraulic assistance. The deck and are very comfortable and easy to move around in a seaway. The systems are well thought out, easy to access and maintain, and can, if one chooses, be kept extremely simple for a boat this size. " __________________ 59'11" LWL. 59'0" Beam 13'6" . 6'0" Displ. 36,500 lbs. Ballast 11,500 lbs. Sail area 1,205 sq. ft. D/L 80 SA/D 17.5 B/D 32% 88-h.p. 4-cyl. 220 gals. Water 400 gals. Steve Dashew TPI Composites, Inc. & Sundeer Yachts                         12-08-2017, 06:34   Harbor for 70 years. Sharing here because I think the model looks nice and this is of a FDB.     13-08-2017, 01:04   Boat: Ericson 34 I recently had the opportunity to board a Sundeer 56/60... TPI Composites, Inc. & Sundeer Yachts 13-08-2017, 01:18   Boat: Wauquiez Centurion 32 ! Can you see yourself in the master bedroom, in the middle of the night with an urgent need to drain your belly ? You have to go all the way to the & open two doors ! Another thing: If you want a sailboat to go anywhere (From a shallow in the Tropics to Antartica, you're better to have a fully enclosed steering position such as on Poupon's alloy 70 footer with its lifting keel & free standing carbon mizzen mast. Amen ! 13-08-2017, 10:12   Boat: Ericson 34 13-08-2017, 12:16   Boat: Wauquiez Centurion 32 16-11-2017, 16:15   Boat: Charger 33 (Angelo Lavranos) , but the seller don't know the or builder. One thing is fairly sure she built in the UK in the early '80, made of and LOA 10m (approximately). Any comment on this would be appreciated.   16-11-2017, 22:53   Boat: no boat any more ) 05-03-2018, 14:10   (1983) Two views of the Flush Deck (March 2018 this boat is currently , see yachtworld) Additional Specs, and Information: Specs Keel: Dimensions LOA: 44 ft 0 in Beam: 13 ft 0 in : 24000 lbs Engines Total : 60 HP Engine 1: Engine Brand: Year Built: 1994 Engine Model: Pima Engine Type: Inboard Engine/Fuel Type: Engine Hours: 2500 Drive Type: Direct Drive Engine : 60 HP ___________________________________ I have no financial or other connection to this boat or the seller. I have not seen this boat in person, nor have I sailed on it. As with any boat, it is a good idea to the design to learn about how they sail, common problems and owner opinions. As with any boat, it is smart to have a qualified yacht perform a of the boat to assess its condition. I am this to help others find boats. This one caught my eye, and I hope this thread helps others find a good fit for them. I hope this thread proves helpful to CF Members. If so, let me know, as it is nice to know the time spent on it has helped others. IF you this boat, let me know (a PM would be OK). IF you this boat, I would enjoy seeing it, or going for a sail on it, if I am ever in your area. Or, if you own a similar or sister boat send me a PM. I enjoy sailing on a wide variety of boats and would like to get some time on many designs, including this one.     05-03-2018, 14:49   Year = 1980 Asking = $59,900 Location = Sturgeon Bay Wisconsin, ____________ I once considered one of these (back in the 1980s) when it was priced about $140K as I . When I boarded the boat I was struck by the unusual Free Standing Masts, the unusual Flush Deck design, and the very roomy with nice interior finish, and the simple sail handing controls in the . I was impressed then, and still am. The layout is different from most boats, and while it is an unusual design, I like the look of it and the "feel" of the boat when on it. The flush deck, keyhole bulkhead, overhead hatches, and topsides make the interior seem spacious and light. I like it. Notice in these photos the way the is carried on the Flush Deck. Notice the . I think this would be a nice boat for cruising the , the , and the to the Chesapeake (for gunkholing). NOTE! One of the photos below shows a secondary ladder in the . That is NOT the primary ladder to the cockpit, which is further aft. If any CF owns one of these boats, I will volunteer as crew in order to get some time on one. I would enjoy seeing how it . ________________ ___________ Additional Specs, and Information: Dimensions LOA: 40 ft 0 in Beam: 12 ft 0 in LWL: 34 ft 10 in Maximum Draft: 9 ft 0 in : 20000 lbs Ballast: 6000 lbs : 6 ft 4 in 4' 10" Draft with the centerboard up. 9' draft with the centerboard down.                 14-03-2018, 13:04   This boat was home designed and built by Ron Beltz in Hobart Tasmania, in 1938. Listed on the National Register of Historic Vessels EXCERPT: "STORM KING is a raised deck and is in excellent condition. The hull still retains its profile and 1930s appearance. One of the few changes is the of the doghouse aft and the addition of a small coach house over the for added . STORM KING won two categories at the 1996 Wooden Boat Festival: 'Best Presented Yacht' and 'Best in Show'. The STORM KING is a yacht built in Tasmania in the late 1930s. It was built by Ronald Beltz, and is an amateur designed and built yacht from Tasmania. 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